Comments on: Agree or Disagree

By: B.CooP*

B.CooP* — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:12:31 +0000

love it Jaime— We'll close the commenting with this…

The blog was posed as a question to get us all thinking— not some sort of declaration— but here's what ive discovered over the past couple of days in researching the matter… rather than passing judgement on folks:

The traditional Reformed position is that God ordained that sin would enter the world through the voluntary choice of moral creatures.
So while the preferable word is 'ordained', I think it’s a lesson in uncharitable reading to condemn someone on the basis of the word “planned.”
But why seek understanding, when condemnation is so much easier?

And that's all i have to say about that—

By: Art

Art — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:53:44 +0000

“Why plant an idea in the mind of unbelievers or new Christians that the best theologians have been debating for hundreds of years? The job of the church is to preach Christ crucified. God did not, could not create sin. A pastor posing these types of questions is doing it to gratify his intellect, not to save sinners. Wake up my friend.”

Agreed.

By: CRN.Info and Analysis » Blog Archive » And your point would be?

CRN.Info and Analysis » Blog Archive » And your point would be? — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:35:35 +0000

[...] (which is put in the category of “seeker sensitive): The Title says, “God Planned Sin So says NewSpring “pastor” Brad “BCoop” Cooper: SIN didnt sneak up on GOD… HE HAD PLANNED IT [...]

By: Jamie

Jamie — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:16:09 +0000

Two scriptures.

“For from him and through him and to him are all things.” Romans 11:36

“For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.” Colossians 1:16

By: amytwo

amytwo — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:00:16 +0000

Why plant an idea in the mind of unbelievers or new Christians that the best theologians have been debating for hundreds of years? The job of the church is to preach Christ crucified. God did not, could not create sin. A pastor posing these types of questions is doing it to gratify his intellect, not to save sinners. Wake up my friend.

By: Randy

Randy — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:23:35 +0000

Sorry for the confusion. I get so frustrated reading blogs where the pastors are trying so hard to come up with something new and fresh. We have 2000 years of Christian orthodoxy, if you think you've come up with something new, you probably haven't.

I do agree that it is very sad for all of these blog post which fail to consult the Word of God. My point was we should use Scripture IN CONTEXT to make any point. My second post was to say that too often Seeker Sensitive, Purpose Driven pastors rip scripture out of context to make all sorts of crazy claims. As I read my second post now it does seem confusing. Sorry about that.

As someone on the outside of NewSpring, it seems like foolishness abounds there and it would be good for people to take note of Proverbs 14:7. My prayer would be that the NewSpring leadership repents, sets aside their foolish ways and “contends for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints” Jude 1:3

By: ztford

ztford — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:39:12 +0000

I'm completely confused as to what your “own point” was??? Is it that we are to use Scripture in context….then you're right. However, that was not the point. The point was that we are sinfully arrogant if we believe we can refer to the Holy God without consulting His Holy Word. If you're “point” is that we should not do so, that is pure sinful ignorance.

By: ztford

ztford — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:30:09 +0000

yeah, it happens…so are you now arguing that we should not use Scripture in our points and arguments? That's preposterous. Again, that is pure arrogance to believe that you know ANY truth outside of God and His Word.

By: Randy

Randy — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:16:43 +0000

Just a little clarificatrion, like most of the Seeker Sensitive, Purpose Driven, AvantGuarde pastors, I ripped that verse out of context just to make my own point.

By: Randy

Randy — Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:14:03 +0000

Here's some scripture for all the people at NewSpring:

Proverbs 14:7
Stay away from a foolish man, for you will not find knowledge on his lips.